[Chat Log] March 1, 2019

[Morgan]

Perhaps selectively objective?

 

[Emma Bezzle]

It's kind of a catch 22 - if we remove all of the sexiness and femininity then it's like saying we can't take her seriously unless she eschews all things typically seen as feminine (which purports harmful stereotypes), and on the other hand, the sexy and intelligent femme fetale is a misogynistic creation so...we are kind of stuck

 

[Chase]

That's my point, actually. That before you even know the woman, she fits the femme fatale visual identity.

 

[Emma Bezzle]

True, but I think that the more you see of her and her character, the more that archetype breaks down (at least from what I've seen in woeics)

 

[Morgan]

I would agree. From what I've seen, as well.

 

[Chase]

Wake me up when she solves a puzzle or something.

 

[Morgan]

Ah, now you're just looking for a fight.

 

[Chase]

Honestly, I'm not. I'm disenchanted, I think.

 

[Emma Bezzle]

Part of the issue (at least in woeics) is that we only see things from Ivy and Zack's POV. We don't get to see how Carmen plans her heists or her developing the clue for Ivy and Zack

 

[Chase]

Exactly, and that means anyone else could have done it.

 

[Emma Bezzle]

Then I think that's more a fault of the show/the writing rather than the character

 

[Morgan]

Emma is right, and what she says support the fact that much of what @Chase wants as 'proof' is already alluded.