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  • Jon Eckart Jon Eckart:
    Look at the early 20th Century... Tesla was considered crazy... wireless power, remote controlled boats, transferring power over long distances, alternating current... what do we have nowadays?
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  • Tenchi Masaki Tenchi Masaki:
    yeah but they were based on superstitious norms of the time we have scientific methodology to test everything against and the scientific community still hides behind dogma it can get infuriating at times
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  • Tenchi Masaki Tenchi Masaki:
    For example her in Japan western scientists said there is no such thing as giant squid because “no sea monsters” when Japanese fishers see them regularly
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  • Tenchi Masaki Tenchi Masaki:
    so scientists pathetically said in response: Catch a giant squid at a certain length, bring it to shore alive, and perform video recorded dissection on it. They thought this would be impossible but fishermen laughed and said sure okay. The plan is part of a scientific conspiracy which was proven by this incident to discredit ancient reports of giant sea life
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  • Jon Eckart Jon Eckart:
    From what I see, dogma doesn't figure too much into it anymore, though... there is a fair amount of resistance to anything that challenges the norm, but nothing like it used to be. I also keep an eye on oceanographic discoveries, too.
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  • Tenchi Masaki Tenchi Masaki:
    Then they caught one and did everything they stipulated and science had to say fine it’s real
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  • Claire Yeon Claire Yeon:
    "I cannot comprehend this, so it must be impossible" is a mindset we see throughout all of human history
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  • Tenchi Masaki Tenchi Masaki:
    officially science is anti dogma but certain scientists make it clear that if you have evidence that goes against the accepted view you cannot publish it until the community is ready to accept it
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  • Jon Eckart Jon Eckart:
    From what I see these days, it's mostly just scientists butting heads... I say one thing and you say another, but neither one is really dogma.. the evidence publishing is just a money grab, which is sad in it's own right
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  • Tenchi Masaki Tenchi Masaki:
    or simple translation previous scientists have earned careers and this new information will ruin they’re status so you can’t publish your findings and if you do we will ruin your career
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  • Tenchi Masaki Tenchi Masaki:
    yes that’s exactly it Jon it’s career based competition
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  • Tenchi Masaki Tenchi Masaki:
    and young minds suffer because of it
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  • Jon Eckart Jon Eckart:
    It's the same way with the patent system or the copyright system... whoever can jump through all the hoops first and publish owns it, and if you can get it in a paid-to-see magazine or something, then you win... it's too bad all society is like that now, and that's why open source will never fully take over... it's free and supported only by volunteers or paid-for and supported by paid-staff... which has access to more info and is more trustworthy to the average person
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  • Tenchi Masaki Tenchi Masaki:
    When I went to school and saw a picture of the inside of the earth I didn’t believe it. I was like where’s the water? Under the crust. Scientists said there was no underwater seas but then we started watching old documentaries from the 70s about black smokers and I was like that’s water coming up but scientist never said water they always said “minerals” Or whatever terminology they wanted to use... 35-40 years later: Hey kids there’s underwater oceans! Isn’t that amazing!
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  • Tenchi Masaki Tenchi Masaki:
    Jon Eckart said:
    It's the same way with the patent system or the copyright system... whoever can jump through all the hoops first and publish owns it, and if you can get it in a paid-to-see magazine or something, then you win... it's too bad all society is like that now, and that's why open source will never fully take over... it's free and supported only by volunteers or paid-for and supported by paid-staff... which has access to more info and is more trustworthy to the average person
    yeah I’m for open source all the way ironically Apple turtleing their tech in their own ecosystem wards off most viruses but we need open source the sooner the better
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  • Jon Eckart Jon Eckart:
    @Jacqueline Hyde The current group (no offense to anyone) does admittedly limit who might be able to "attend", but if it's in advance enough, maybe more will attend, and if it's a regular-ish thing, maybe more will attend.
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  • Jon Eckart Jon Eckart:
    @Tenchi Masaki Unfortunately, trying to get everyone on the same page is impossible as it stands now... an Office '13 file will open in OpenOffice, but will probably be missing some formatting... same the other way around. And, that's the problem... each piece of software has it's own way of handling things, and people want to just be able to do a thing (open a file without dinking around, or having to convert it) in the minimum time possible. Nobody wants to have to learn a whole programming language just to open a Resume file and have it turn out right (Windows to *Nix)... they just want it to work, and until it "just works", open source won't be embraced.
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    is going AFK for a bit
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  • Jacqueline Hyde Jacqueline Hyde:
    Jon Eckart said:
    @Claire Yeon and @Jacqueline Hyde ... have I missed any game or movie nights?
    nope, that one V hosted is the only one we've had since like june
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  • Jacqueline Hyde Jacqueline Hyde:
    Claire Yeon said:
    I see. And on a scale of one to the Louvre, how would you rank their security systems? Asking for purely hypothetical reasons, of course.
    No idea honestly. The MFA and Gardner must have pretty tight security. The PEM probably not as much, but I also don't think it has as much monetarily valuable art.
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  • Jacqueline Hyde Jacqueline Hyde:
    That being said, the Gardner was the site of the biggest art theft in history, also the biggest unsolved crime in history: Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum theft - Wikipedia
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  • Tenchi Masaki Tenchi Masaki:
    good morning ferret @Charlet
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  • Charlet Charlet:
    Good morning
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  • Claire Yeon Claire Yeon:
    Ah, yes, I have read about that. A fascinating heist. I expect the trail has long gone cold, but we must not lose hope.
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    Claire Yeon Claire Yeon: Ah, yes, I have read about that. A fascinating heist. I expect the trail has long gone cold, but...
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